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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 4, 2010 11:10am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7-m919ynU

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 4, 2010 2:12pm
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I seem to recall that one of our elder statesman had some recollections of this event.

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=121232

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=103519

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 3:22pm
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Thanks, L; yep, it's never as black and white as we would like it to be...still, overall, you have to come down on the side of the tragedy being one that could have been avoided by the various "powers that be" (and not so much the kids on both sides "on the ground" at the time)...and sure, I don't for a minute think a bunch of guys that shot a kid in ROTC for crying outloud are the primary villians in all of this...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 4, 2010 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- awaiting deadhead monte post re same, don't forget GoP

oh i completely agree. I just find GoP's experience of what was happening on the ground to be one that you don't hear very often as to some it probably detracts from the tragedy. Not for me, it was all a bunch of kids caught up in something and the tragedy was that the "adults" who should have shown some common sense and restraint decided to play with fire instead. 4 innocent people and for the matter the country was burned because of that decision. Very sad.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 7:19pm
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Yep all around...(speaking of GoP, he's not around much anymore, here or over at Hook either...).

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: May 4, 2010 11:41am
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I was wondering when someone would bring this up; like you I had thought DH Monte will post something.
A sad day in history.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: May 4, 2010 12:04pm
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Thanks. The question at the end, "How many more?" - has a pretty sad answer.

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Poster: beijingscene Date: May 5, 2010 1:38am
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my fotos of another massacre of unarmed students--a lot more of them :-(

http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottsavitt

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: May 5, 2010 10:55am
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Thanks for posting, Scott. These shots are simultaneously inspiring and horrifying.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2010 11:32am
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I have Steve's first cover shot, int'l newsweek re "Inside Burma", signed and framed in my office. More shots of killed students, but those pics (as you know) are of students laying neatly piled in rows with a single shot to the middle of the forehead. (Cover shot just of students marching, not the aftermath).

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2010 11:42am
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damn double posters!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 4, 2010 1:03pm
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Thanks for reminding everyone about Kent State massacre 40th anniversary today. I streamed Amy Goodman's Democracy Now show today. They had a very good 15-minute segment about Kent State massacre.

I really appreciate the same privilege here as you guys, the right to speak up for The People. I try to avoid rubbing stuff in anyone's face. Like Johnny Cash said, "I walk the line." Never forget. Peace.

I'll just re-post my point for the most respectable show the Grateful Dead ever played. It was a free benefit show.

This is definitely Grateful Dead

Kent State massacre

Richard Nixon had been elected President in 1968, promising to end the Vietnam War. On April 30, 1970, President Nixon announced to the nation that an "incursion" into Cambodia had been launched by United States combat forces. At Kent State University, a massive demonstration was held on May 1, 1970 on the Commons, and another had been planned for May 4. There was widespread anger, and many protesters issued a call to "bring the war home."

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The Ohio National Guard was ordered to Kent State to quell the protests. They shot and killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, had been walking from one class to the next at the time of their deaths. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter.

College campuses around the US erupted.
There were protests, student strikes, and campus takeovers.

What was the "official response" by the Grateful Dead? The Boys played a free benefit concert at the M.I.T. protest on May 6, 1970. For me, this was by far GD's finest moment. Here is the SBD

Grateful Dead and New Riders of the Purple Sage - 1970
True Americans
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I'm proud to be an American Dead Head

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: May 5, 2010 9:14am
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I was in high school at the time, just a few miles south of San Francisco. My Brit Lit class went to the city to see GB Shaw's Saint Joan. When the play ended, the cast gathered together on the stage and made a plea to never forget what happened...there is a line from the play that has stuck in my head ever since that moment.

"O God that madest this beautiful earth, when will it be ready to accept thy saints? How long, O Lord, how long?"

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Poster: user unknown Date: May 4, 2010 5:40pm
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found this....
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/fot/ohio.htm

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 4, 2010 11:54am
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Thanx for posting this, being from the great state of Ohio it saddens me that nothing of significance has been said today in the state. A small blurb on the local news is all it got.

I was looking for a GD TDIH for 1970, but it appears they didn't play till the 7th ( at least that's the LMA listing)


Thank God for CSN&Y for keeping this memory alive through a very well done song. Did Neil write this? (pretty certain he did).

It's funny that ESPN can find a sports thread out of it because Nick Saban was a student there at the time. It's a shame my state can't reconcile the fact that they screwed up, every discussion I hear involves the myth that Guardsmen were fired at first (a ridiculous notion). We even re-elected Jim Rhodes as gov.

A sad day for sure, people try to point out that this event was "the beginning of the end of the Vietnam conflict"
and that at least "some" good came out of Kent State.
My observation is No good came from it 4 students were murdered my Governor.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 12:22pm
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Yep:

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

NYoung

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 4, 2010 12:46pm
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What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?


Is this lyric questiong the other students who ran from scene mostly abandoning the wounded and dead ?
Or is this a commentary on the famous AP photo of the student giving comfort (grieving?) a fallen companion.

I'm gonna assume the latter....

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 1:32pm
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Agreed.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: May 4, 2010 12:51pm
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They played the day before at my alma mater, but it's one of the crappiest recordings on the archive. It's full of political chatter, but sort of sinister to listen to, knowing it hadn't happened yet and these people didn't know.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-05-03.aud.cotsman.9378.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 4, 2010 1:03pm
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Thank you, this escaped me when I was browsing. one review for the 5-7 M.I.T. show mentioned that the band sounded really bummed about recent events, and the constant political upheaval.
But I think to the Grateful Dead's credit never really drug the soap box out and started preaching. God Lord they had every opportunity to do so, For sure they were present for more than a few protest. But they weren't gonna chain themselves to anything, and that is a large reason why the legacy shines today.

I'm piping your May 03 suggestion to the deck outside for this beautiful day, and now I'm sure some lively political discussion. Give peace a chance

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: May 4, 2010 1:43pm
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don't forget also the blood on the hands of Dwight Eisenhower,
John Fitzgerald Kennedy and LBJ all three could have prevented
this.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 2:15pm
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Yep; but, in his defense, of the three, amazingly (really!), it was Dwight that warned of the coming "military industrial complex".

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 4, 2010 6:03pm
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Agreed - thank you. Dwight got it very correct. That was in the 20th century.

Who could see this coming? Wall Street is on over-drive. The USA & all globalization are ruled by a Plutocracy - the rich people. We have capitalism-gone-wild. This stuff is overlaying the "military industrial complex."

The madness of all this, to me, is the current-day 21st-century model that we have morphed into. The whole damned thing is actually run by a bunch of Ph.Ds who have degrees in mathematics. For the sake of argument, let's say there are 2500 math guys running the world's finances for the Rich People. They're contriving bullshit in many of their financial mathematical models - like the collapse of housing prices. Remember, they said, "that could never happen." And then they converted junk sub-prime loans into AAA mortgage-backed securities. Scam! Millions of homes went into foreclosure. The world economy tanked.

Let the Markets rule? If you thought unregulated derivatives, complex debt obligations, and other nightmareish Wall Street instruments were bad before --- wait until we start seeing all the financial collapsing due to these bizarre Interest Rate Swaps. These are Tooth-Fairy debt-to-the-future schemes that produce handsome fees for Wall Street. All of this bullshit is run by Goldman Sachs, and some others. Greece just collapsed over Interest Rate Swaps that were managed by Goldman Sachs. Spain, Portugal and others may follow. Greece is erupting right now.

Cities and counties in the USA are more and more getting into this horrible Goldman Sachs nightmare. As we enter the second quarter of 2010, the country is still struggling to recover from what has been dubbed the Great Recession. Millions of Americans are suffering the economic woes of the financial collapse, and towns and cities across the country are making drastic budget cuts as they struggle to stay above water.

In the meantime, Wall Street has been posting record profits, and big banks are doling out billions of dollars in bonuses. How is this possible?

A new article in Rolling Stone magazine by journalist Matt Taibbi takes an in-depth look at the experience of one small Alabama town. The article says banking giant JP Morgan bribed city officials in Jefferson County to get exclusive rights to help finance the construction of a new sewer system for that city.

Matt Taibbi writes, quote, “On a sewer project that was originally supposed to cost $250 million, the county now owed a total of $1.28 billion just in interest and fees on the debt.”

The initial estimate for this project was $250 million. They ended up spending about $3 billion on this. And they ended up owing about $5 billion in the end, after you look at all the refinancing, the interest rate swaps, and everything. -- Matt Taibbi

He goes on to write, “The destruction of Jefferson County reveals the basic battle plan of these modern barbarians, the way that banks like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs have systematically set out to pillage towns and cities from Pittsburgh to Athens.”

Matt Taibbi on Democracy Now. His article is called “Looting Main Street.”

When I say "Mother Nature rules," I mean using models based on Newton and Einstein. I believe in reality, history, science, nature, facts.

Many US Presidents have appointed top-level Goldman Sachs executives to top-level USA Presidential administration positions -- to this day!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 5, 2010 9:30am
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With no intent to hijack the thread from its original subject......

Monte you are all over it. And the solution is crystal clear.

We have an unconstitutional Federal Reserve Central Banking that answers to no one.

There is no Congressional oversight (which is probably a de facto good thing since everything the House touches they fuck up).

The Fed is in bed with a bunch of Keynesian morons at Treasury (read "Geithner") who think that carrying a National Debt that is conservatively 400%, likely closer to 700% of our GDP, is a "sound fiscal approach to extricate ourselves from this crisis".

To put this in terms that the average brain numbed American citizen can understand (my austere company here on the Forum excluded) - that is equivalent to making $50K per year and carrying $1.2 Million (with a large M) in credit card debt at 5%. YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE THE INTEREST PAYMENT!!!!

Which is where we the US will be by 2017 at our current rate of government expenditure for bullshit entitlement programs - coupled with our issuance of debt to the tune of $120-150 billion every couple of weeks.

But the average American thinks that "It's okay, they will do something."

They?

Those who got us into this mess.

They will get us out of it?

Nope. They won't. They can't.

Americans won't care until their Direct TV subscriptions are cancelled and by then it will be too late.

What is on the streets of Athens today is what will be on the streets of Washington DC and New York sooner than any of us want to imagine. We just got the first round bye since the dollar is 67% of reserve currency held world-wide. Followed by the Euro at 27% - with a big ass target painted on it that closely resembles the flags of Greece, Portugal, Spain and Iceland.

Folks, it's not about Red v. Blue, Right v. Left, Republican v. Democrat, liberal v. conservative or any other divisionary tool contrived by the worthless knotheads that have run our government since 1971.

It is simply about "We the People" and now is our time.

Two of my favorite quotes excerpted from one of the top 3 writings ever authored:

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

I will now yield the soapbox..........

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Poster: bluedevil Date: May 5, 2010 10:27am
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From a lecture I went to recently at the Panetta Institute with Jeb Bush and James Carville. This is Carville talking:

00:25:34 >> Again, I agree.
00:25:35 I'm hard pressed to think of a policy this president has that I disagree with, but having said that we go to the problem to the big looming issue and i got to tell you I think that a new era of bipartisanship is upon us and I think it's going to be here sooner as opposed to later.
00:25:52 Let me tell you why.
00:25:58 There's a guy in orange county, bill groves, runs an outfit called pimco.
00:26:03 Any investor will tell you this guy say real deal, brilliant guy, biggest bond investor maybe in the world and what he's doing right now is lightening up on u.s.
00:26:13 Treasuries and is replacing them with german, canadian and french treasuries because the long term prognosis he doesn't think is that great.
00:26:24 So what's going to happen here is when the economy begins to pick up, as it is now and it's going to pick up faster than people think and companies are going to grow back and people will start borrowing money again.
00:26:38 There's going to be real pressure.
00:26:40 Money will come back in demand and our interest rates, either currency will probably go down because people are not going to have faith.
00:26:47 That's going to impose -- a solution is going to be imposed by the financial markets and when it does and the dollar loses 1/3 or 40% of its value and people go down to the wal- mart and they're paying 30, 40% more than they were before, i guarantee you it's going to get everybody's attention.
00:27:07 That's what's getting ready to happen and not 10 years down the road.
00:27:09 I think it's going to happen in a fairly short time.
00:27:13 I don't know if it's going to be two or three or four years but it's going to probably be somewhere in that time frame.
00:27:21 When it happens, then we're going to have to make a choice as a country.
00:27:28 We have three things.
00:27:29 We have an expensive system of entitlement, social security, medicare, to some extent medicaid.
00:27:34 We of have the 29 industrial nations, of the 30 industrial nations, we're like 29th in our tax burden and we spend more money on defense than of other nation in the world combined.
00:27:45 -- Than every other nation in the world combined.
00:27:48 Somewhere somehow something's got to give.
00:27:53 Herb stein who is the head of the council of economic advisors I think under president nixon said the rule is that which cannot continue won't.
00:28:07 My guess is that some variation of the three are going to have to occur because you're not going do it through tax increases.
00:28:14 You're not going to do it by just cutting entitlements.
00:28:17 You're certainly not going to cut the military away like that, but what's happened is the will to do this is going to be imposed by the financial markets.
00:28:32 When that happens, it's going to get everybody's attention.
http://tinyurl.com/23atubr

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 5, 2010 10:48am
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BD -

I am pretty bi-polar when it comes to Carville. I can see right through his Arkansas Chug-a-Bug routine and see that he is a brilliant man. I just can't figure out which side he's on. I read this transcript somewhere else (Zero Hedge I think) and Carville pretty much nails it.

The only thing I disagree with is is the assertation of "that which cannot continue won't". And I might be arguing in the margins here.

TARP is a monumental failure, Too Big To Fail is a monumental failure yet they still embrace it and hail it as the salvation of the financial industry and preventer of our impending economic collapse. All we have done is kick the can down the road. It is 1931 all over again and while the recession might be over, we are within 3 years of a double bottom the likes of which this country hasn't seen - since 1933.

Yup, the Recession is over - throw a freakin party cuz the Depression is just getting it's legs beneath it.

Hope everyone has a Victory Garden going and gets to know their neighbors well because the only way we get out of this is as a collective community. We certainly aren't going to be lead out of it by the collection of Ivy League idiots running the circus right now.

And despite what it sounds like, I don't believe in any of the Council on Foreign Relations, Tri-Lateral Commission, Bildeberger-Rothschild-Rockefeller New World Order conspiracy shit.

Now the ruling lizard elite whose eggs are in the Iceland volcano? I'm all about that one.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 5, 2010 11:43am
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I believe there's nothing wrong with decent jobs, living wages, worker safety, education, public police departments, public fire departments, public libraries, health care, pensions, environmental protection, national defense, and our government's role in assuring these very decent things be available for everyone. Common sense tells us these are highly desirable necessities for living securely in a real Democracy - and, they are worth fighting for. Unfortunately, we have lost our News Media to the multi-national corporations. It has been replaced by propaganda, brain-washing, yelling, name-calling, and lying. Without a free and independent Press to keep us informed of The Truth, how can we preserve our democracy? We cannot.

Back to Dwight's warning about "the military industrial complex." So, what ever happened to the "Peace Dividend" when the Soviet Union collapsed? Nothing. Military budgets continued to go up. Worst of all, today we have Blackwater's [now Xe Services] private army run by Erik Prince.

Investigative journalist Jeremy Scahill obtains a rare audio recording of a recent, private speech delivered by Erik Prince, the owner of Blackwater, to a friendly audience in January. The speech, which Prince attempted to keep from public consumption, provides a stunning glimpse into his views and future plans and reveals details of previously undisclosed activities of Blackwater.

Jeremy Scahill excerpts from his interview yesterday on Democracy Now:

Erik Prince said that the United States should send armed mercenaries, he doesn’t use the term, but that’s what they are, armed mercenaries, into Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria. With the exception of Nigeria, he talked about Yemen and Somalia and Saudi Arabia facing Iranian threats and the Iranians were, as he put it, at the dead center of badness in the world. And he said that by sending in private contractors, armed contractors, instead of the military, you solve the political problems of sending a large U.S. force, and said that the private sector can do this in a much smaller footprint way and it also would be politically expedient because there would essentially be plausible deniability on the part of the government. In the case of Nigeria, of course we’ve seen an increase in resistance movements and indigenous movements that are protesting against multinational oil corporations polluting, doing what they perceive to be stealing of Nigeria’s most valuable resources, oil-rich African nation. Erik Prince talked about these Nigerian groups as stealing oil from the multi-national oil corporations and suggested without providing any evidence whatsoever that revenue from this theft, by Nigerian groups, of the oil was being used to fund terrorist operations.

That the U.S. government has very expensive military operations and that if you take a high-end team of special forces operators like those that work for Blackwater, former SEALS, Delta Force, JSOC guys, joint special operations command guys, that you can send in less of them and that they can inflict much more damage. So he’s suggesting this will be something that can be done right now, send them into these countries to take out ‘the bad guys,’ as he called it, he constantly uses that term, ‘the bad guys.’

Erik Prince said that Blackwater trains somewhere in the ballpark of 1,500 Afghans every six weeks. Blackwater is currently competing for this massive training contract to train the Afghan police and there are some other companies doing it, too, but Blackwater right now, has a large part of the market cornered, and so they spend a lot of time with these Afghan forces.

Prince said of the Afghans that come to us, you know, they’ve never been a part of something professional and something that works and he said that, you know, they don’t know how to use toilets. The first thing we have to do is teach them intro to toilet use. He also talks about women that are working with Blackwater, and he says, you know, they come to work in their burkas and then they put on their cammies, their camouflage, and he said, you know, they really like the baton work and they get carried away with the handcuffs, wanting to handcuff men all the time. "‘But in six weeks we turn these individuals into what U.S. generals have told me is the most effective fighting force in Afghanistan."

I wonder what General McChrystal thinks about that, given his Army Ranger history, that Afghans who spend six weeks with Eric Prince’s force are somehow the most effective fighting force in Afghanistan.

Erik Prince brags that Blackwater saved 128 people during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. I was down there and- we were all down there, Amy, and we saw the Blackwater guys, we talked to some of them. They said that they were there to confront criminals and stop looters. But what Prince says that I think would be offensive to, Louisiana, is he says that Blackwater forces beat the Louisiana National Guard to the scene of the hurricane zone. He says, we jumped from five states over and beat the Louisiana National Guard. He doesn’t mention that thirty-five to forty percent of the Louisiana National Guard was deployed in Iraq along with massive amounts of equipment that could of been used in recovery operations, that could have been used in humanitarian operations there. So to say Blackwater beat the Louisiana National Guard without mentioning that part of the reason there wasn’t an effective Louisiana National Guard response was because so many of them were in Iraq and deployed abroad. And they expressed anger. I remember seeing some of them coming back into Louisiana livid with President Bush, saying, ‘He cares more about Iraq than he does about Louisiana and we should have been here.’ And so, he uses that then to launch off, Amy, and say he participated, Prince is a SEAL, in the invasion, he called it, of Haiti in 1994. And then he said that he had wanted to create a humanitarian barge like this massive vessel that could respond to natural disasters around the world, that could be supported by large pharmaceutical companies and Archer Daniels Midland, but that because of political attacks from the Left, because of his tens of millions of dollars in legal bills, he had to cancel it. And he says, you know, ‘a ship like that sure could come in handy right now in Haiti as it deals with the earthquake.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 4, 2010 2:24pm
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As I said more than anyone I hold Governor Rhodes responsible for this tragedy. As much if not more than guardsman who pulled the trigger.

"...seperate me from the powder and the finger, shelter me from the thought that pulled the trigger..."

The order was given to the "soldiers" (using the term loosely being regular Army myself) to fire, Real bullets at a student protest, in the USA for Christ sakes. And we as a state re-elected this tub of shit Rhodes, In fact his legacy is gloriously intact, and is rarely mentioned in the context of the massacre at KS.

I met Rhodes as a kid one year at the state fair, 4-H project or something, His likeness was immortalized life-size in butter.

Here i a link by NPR on our illustrious Republican gov

http://www.npr.org/blogs/politicaljunkie/2010/05/03/126474013/40-years-after-kent-state-remembering-ohio-gov-james-rhodes?ft=1&;f=1014

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: May 4, 2010 2:14pm
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In a letter dated 28 February 1946, Ho Chi Minh asks the US President, Harry S. Truman, for US support in its struggle to gain independence [from France] for the Democratic Republic of Vietnam.

History shows us that Ho Chi Minh was an ally for the US in world war 2.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 4, 2010 2:20pm
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Sadly, he was 27 yrs too late...at both the close of WWI & WWII, lots of folks got the shaft...not to in any way rationalize it, but as Patton put it, the new enemy (Russia/soviets) was a much more pressing issue...Think of what happened to Poland et al...Ironically, there was NO easy way out (ie, to avoid the Cold War)...it was basically as pre-determined as any of these unfortunate things can be...

Tragic. But recall, more than 50 mil died in Russia, and another 50 mil or so in China, since the 1930s...so, sometimes our "little" wars don't seem as significant.

Again, this is IN NO WAY to detract from righteous justice. Just a reminder that the world was a terribly nasty place thru most of the 20th century...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: May 4, 2010 12:10pm
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Never forget!